thoughts ..Song Come my Celia, Let us prove
what is he talking about? i got that they want to prove their love with St. Celia.
is that right ?
Whats "sports of love"
And then does it talk about the light inside each person and that i might go out like the sun sets or is it something else?
sean bronczyk
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Saturday, May 9, 2009
Personal Analysis of Henry Vaughn's "The Retreat"
Hey guys about a couple hours ago I got help from my step-mom in analyzing what the poem means in simpler words than what I previously posted we analyzed 2 to 8 lines at a time so pay attention because I am only going to say line numbers.
Lines 1-2: refering to what some christians believe in as babies being angels before coming to earth.
Line 4: "race" in this context means life-some christians believe the soul had a heavenly existence before life on earth
Lines 7- 14: looks back at past in heaven (where babies are before coming to earth), remembering eternity/ heaven.
Line 8: "first love" refers to God
Lines 15- 19: the narrative voice is saying that before acting on sins, he learned his conscience could say bad things or think bad things.
Line 19: several means separate
Lines 20- 21: as in human form he sees glimpses of heaven, glimpses of what it was like before he came to earth.
Line 20: "fleshy dress" means body
Lines 22- 25: Saying he wants to go back to where he first came from (heaven).
Line 25: "train" means way of existance
Line 27: "The shady city of palm- trees" is heaven
Lines 28- 29: saying that life is in the way of going back to heaven
Lines 30- 31: saying that some men move forward and some move back.
Lines 32-33: means when the body is dead on earth the spirit can go to being an angel and head on to heaven.
Well guys that is the extent of my interpretation of the poem (with help from my step- mom) if you have any questions just ask. Also let me know if this helped any.
Khrystyne Hastings
Lines 1-2: refering to what some christians believe in as babies being angels before coming to earth.
Line 4: "race" in this context means life-some christians believe the soul had a heavenly existence before life on earth
Lines 7- 14: looks back at past in heaven (where babies are before coming to earth), remembering eternity/ heaven.
Line 8: "first love" refers to God
Lines 15- 19: the narrative voice is saying that before acting on sins, he learned his conscience could say bad things or think bad things.
Line 19: several means separate
Lines 20- 21: as in human form he sees glimpses of heaven, glimpses of what it was like before he came to earth.
Line 20: "fleshy dress" means body
Lines 22- 25: Saying he wants to go back to where he first came from (heaven).
Line 25: "train" means way of existance
Line 27: "The shady city of palm- trees" is heaven
Lines 28- 29: saying that life is in the way of going back to heaven
Lines 30- 31: saying that some men move forward and some move back.
Lines 32-33: means when the body is dead on earth the spirit can go to being an angel and head on to heaven.
Well guys that is the extent of my interpretation of the poem (with help from my step- mom) if you have any questions just ask. Also let me know if this helped any.
Khrystyne Hastings
Henry Vaughan's "The Retreat"
Hey look I found an explanation of Henry Vaughan's "The Retreat". The one website has and explanation of the poem in its entirety and expanaation of it in pieces. The other website has footnotes of some of the words and the meaning of a couple of the words. I think they are pretty decent websites considering they are the only ones I found.
http://freehelpstoenglishliterature.blogspot.com/2007/10/retreate.html
(explanation of poem in entirety and in pieces)
http://www.portablepoetry.com/poems/henry_vaughan/the_retreat.html
(footnotesof some words and lines)
Let me what you think!
Khrystyne Hastings
http://freehelpstoenglishliterature.blogspot.com/2007/10/retreate.html
(explanation of poem in entirety and in pieces)
http://www.portablepoetry.com/poems/henry_vaughan/the_retreat.html
(footnotesof some words and lines)
Let me what you think!
Khrystyne Hastings
Thursday, May 7, 2009
"The Collar" by George Herbert
I found a decent website that gave an accurate summary of the poem...
This poem appears to reflect Herbert's consideration of how one should lead their life in order to become closer to God. Herbert reflects upon the bargain struck to move forward and thus (possibly)away from sin. The first part of the stanza notes the need to recognise the need to agree/bargain or haggle the price one should pay to stop grieving at mis-fortunes found in life and states the intention to move away/ onward from his previous way of life. Herbert questions the point of bemoaning ones lot – and acknowledges that one’s way in life includes a freedom of choice - therefore life is what one makes it. He ponders whether he can measure up to the challenge of this new way forward. Throughout the poem he appears to ponder what life offers and what he has to show for his existence Have I nothing else to give /produce?(other than to bleed at life’s hardship and not repent - let loose bad blood (evil) Should one only take part in a semi-harvest then one will only see what is lost not gained – The juices of life are not only sweet but produced from the pulp of fruit (possibly could refer to the fruits of one’s labour?)Aluding to the thought that there are many facets of life which contribute to the making of it – Wine is made from the whole fruit (yet represents the body of Christ) what is left is discarded -such as pulp, seeds skin but it would not have been possible to make the wine without therefore the whole/entire person(mind and body) is required to make the best of what one is given. It could be that Herbert is drawing a comparison to the idea that in death the husk of the person (the body) will be discarded and that the produce/juices of the body is simply the soul. Wasting the produce / harvest represents not making the most of what one has been given. Has one nothing to show for labour/toil –existence? Can there be nothing to show for the year? Can’t one crown / top what has been provided – celebrate the beauty and goodness – look for the good rather than the bad? (This could also be considering that others in the world also suffer) Recognising that there is reward if one looks at what can be harvested – should God’s endowment not be celebrated? Take back all the sighs/ moaning and regrets- recoup your losses to judge what is worthy of one’s self and refrain from that which restricts the boundaries of goodness – give up pointless / useless bonds which encourage negative thoughts. Rather one should seek strong bonds – look for the good for inspiration – Making this the way that one governs his/her way in life. While ones eyes are closed to this train of thought the way will not be lit / shown. Herbert suggests that he has moved away from the discourse of regret and immediate gratification of worldly goods. Reign in your fears and receive your just deserts the way you clothe/conduct your life will reap its reward. (Suggests that reflected in the bible- give up your worldly goods to find reward in heaven.) A reflection that the reader / listener should take notice of these thoughts/warning; suggesting that the whilst raging against injustices of life Herbert came to hear the voice of God and responded by turning to religion. I would be very interested (welcome)other peoples considerations and point of views!!
http://www.poetryconnection.net/poets/George_Herbert/7233/comments
This website has been helpful for a few of the poems that we have already read, of course, reading this is not a substitute for reading the actual poem and breaking it down stanza by stanza, but it can help further your understanding.
John Leskow
This poem appears to reflect Herbert's consideration of how one should lead their life in order to become closer to God. Herbert reflects upon the bargain struck to move forward and thus (possibly)away from sin. The first part of the stanza notes the need to recognise the need to agree/bargain or haggle the price one should pay to stop grieving at mis-fortunes found in life and states the intention to move away/ onward from his previous way of life. Herbert questions the point of bemoaning ones lot – and acknowledges that one’s way in life includes a freedom of choice - therefore life is what one makes it. He ponders whether he can measure up to the challenge of this new way forward. Throughout the poem he appears to ponder what life offers and what he has to show for his existence Have I nothing else to give /produce?(other than to bleed at life’s hardship and not repent - let loose bad blood (evil) Should one only take part in a semi-harvest then one will only see what is lost not gained – The juices of life are not only sweet but produced from the pulp of fruit (possibly could refer to the fruits of one’s labour?)Aluding to the thought that there are many facets of life which contribute to the making of it – Wine is made from the whole fruit (yet represents the body of Christ) what is left is discarded -such as pulp, seeds skin but it would not have been possible to make the wine without therefore the whole/entire person(mind and body) is required to make the best of what one is given. It could be that Herbert is drawing a comparison to the idea that in death the husk of the person (the body) will be discarded and that the produce/juices of the body is simply the soul. Wasting the produce / harvest represents not making the most of what one has been given. Has one nothing to show for labour/toil –existence? Can there be nothing to show for the year? Can’t one crown / top what has been provided – celebrate the beauty and goodness – look for the good rather than the bad? (This could also be considering that others in the world also suffer) Recognising that there is reward if one looks at what can be harvested – should God’s endowment not be celebrated? Take back all the sighs/ moaning and regrets- recoup your losses to judge what is worthy of one’s self and refrain from that which restricts the boundaries of goodness – give up pointless / useless bonds which encourage negative thoughts. Rather one should seek strong bonds – look for the good for inspiration – Making this the way that one governs his/her way in life. While ones eyes are closed to this train of thought the way will not be lit / shown. Herbert suggests that he has moved away from the discourse of regret and immediate gratification of worldly goods. Reign in your fears and receive your just deserts the way you clothe/conduct your life will reap its reward. (Suggests that reflected in the bible- give up your worldly goods to find reward in heaven.) A reflection that the reader / listener should take notice of these thoughts/warning; suggesting that the whilst raging against injustices of life Herbert came to hear the voice of God and responded by turning to religion. I would be very interested (welcome)other peoples considerations and point of views!!
http://www.poetryconnection.net/poets/George_Herbert/7233/comments
This website has been helpful for a few of the poems that we have already read, of course, reading this is not a substitute for reading the actual poem and breaking it down stanza by stanza, but it can help further your understanding.
John Leskow
Thursday, April 30, 2009
A Valediction Forbidding Mourning
A few thoughts on the peom...
In John Donne's poem, "A Valediction Forbidding Mourning," a man says goodbye to his lover who he is about to leave. He uses metaphysical conceits to soften the blow by comparing their love to a noble man's death, the planets, and a drawing compass. In my opinion, this poem shows an excuse for the narrator to abandon his supposed love. Not only does he leave her, but also, he wants her to remain faithful and be excited when he returns. If the narrator actually loved this woman, then he would have never left her in the first place.
John Leskow
In John Donne's poem, "A Valediction Forbidding Mourning," a man says goodbye to his lover who he is about to leave. He uses metaphysical conceits to soften the blow by comparing their love to a noble man's death, the planets, and a drawing compass. In my opinion, this poem shows an excuse for the narrator to abandon his supposed love. Not only does he leave her, but also, he wants her to remain faithful and be excited when he returns. If the narrator actually loved this woman, then he would have never left her in the first place.
John Leskow
Saturday, April 25, 2009
The Things They Carried
For the inventory that we started in class of all the stuff we had on us, I know we are supposed to type it up, but should it just be a list or in paragraph form like the story?
-Paul Derickson
-Paul Derickson
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